Curse

PieXags · Jul 14, 2005, 09:18 AM // 09:18

Alright, I don't often put up petitions like this. But you see, for a while there I could put up with it. Now though, when every last spot I've ever found in the game has been nerfed to the point of 2-3 drops per run, well that's just the straw that broke my back, so to speak.

Alright so what do we know, well we know that I'm really pissed off for one. Secondly we know that they've gone and nerfed every single farming spot in the game that I could find, I've spent my entire day trying to find a new decent spot, even one where I could make say, 10k per hour or something, and I'm still OUT OF LUCK. No jades anywhere drop a damn thing, the gates of kryta enemies, no matter where they are or what they are, when from dropping several mediocre things that you could very SLOWLY make gold on to dropping NOTHING (almost literally, I kill 30 enemies, I get 4 drops.), the griffons drop one or two blue items...maybe, the random gold outside fishermans haven? Now considered an exploit. The UW/FoW? Yeah, if you want to spend every hour for a week that your country has down there just so you might get a max damage storm bow to sell for 30k, be my guest. A droknar runner will make more than you do in the UW/FoW, in less time than you'd ever thought.

Farming, buying/selling/giving away things...it's all that was left for me in this game. I enjoy testing builds but I can't do that because of attribute refunds, I can't get anymore money because every spot I can find at all has been nerfed to the point that it's impossible to almost find a drop period.

My question is why, why is it necessary? Droknar runners can make money, PvP players can make money, but normal PvE players who actually use the money, make it the slowest. If you're not rich already you can't expect to be able to buy much anything worthwhile anymore, because unless you get extremely rich you'll be fighting for the last bit of money for your last bit of dye.

Now that every spot in the game has been nerfed except for the lost strongbox (which isn't even a farming spot...and will maybe get you 6k in 3 hours or something...), you just can't make money. I ENJOYED working towards a goal or set of money, I enjoyed needing 100k for something and then farming solo until I reached that goal, I was motivated and it's what I did in most of my free time...because it's all that's left. But now that's been taken away from me as well. Even if they add these two new "zones" to the game, it won't matter. Go through 'em once or twice, or even 10 times...and no big deal, fun over. Then if you tried to farm there, nerf bat for sure.

I would rather see my farming spots back than the two new zones, I enjoy the feeling of being alone out there just me and the mobs making money towards a goal, and now that I can't do that...period, I need to start this petition thing.

Basically saying that---WE WANT OUR FARMING SPOTS BACK. It doesn't HURT anyone, being able to make money at a decent rate won't matter now that you've got so many gold sinks in the game. Hell how was I able to spend 200k in a day? I bought a new set of 60k armor, some dye, helped some players out, and now I've not a chance in hell to get any of it back. Some people enjoy doing PvP in those arenas and tombs over and over again, some of us enjoy working out in the zones by ourselves farming stuff. PvP people get the "here you go, you want it you have it" bat, we get the nerf bat. What's up with that? I'm tired of being bought out by droknar runners every day, lets get some farming back!

/signed

EmperorTippy · Jul 14, 2005, 09:25 AM // 09:25

/signed because it would help fix the economy *Refers you to the stock market crash thread were this is explained* and because the only people being really hurt are the new players.

Moltov joss · Jul 14, 2005, 09:35 AM // 09:35

/signed

I agree anet needs to understand that different groups of people enjoy playing the game in different ways! I really enjoyed farming for my full set of 15k armor. Where do I farm now if I want something

I personally enjoy pvp and farming the most pve wasn't too bad the first time through but now I find myself skipping alot of the missions with new characters just so I can unlock skills faster.

Here is one thing I want to say to anet. Trying to change the way that certain groups of people play your game when they are enjoying it makes no sense at all.

I wonder if bots are responsible for most if not all these farming nerfs

Eternal Equinox · Jul 14, 2005, 09:37 AM // 09:37

/signed

You didn't even have to ask for my vote. ; )

PieXags · Jul 14, 2005, 09:38 AM // 09:38

It can't be, because we fight MOBS to get our money when we farm. To stop the bots doing the wreckage runs at seekers passage they put MOBS in the way because bots can't farm like that, they do wreckage runs and run on paths, they don't fight off massive hordes of mobs for their loot. Also the mobs spawning points are usually random and the attacks they use are random, a bot can't adapt and take control like that in those situations. It isn't bots that's making them ruin these spots, if it was they would've only nerfed the high-lvl places where bots could actually farm effectively, instead they nerfed every single spot in the game, high and low lvl.

Xeno Demachilo · Jul 14, 2005, 09:38 AM // 09:38

/Signed x 100000000

Arena net is ruining this game by nerfing spots..They need to just ban botters..Not pretty much ban us too...

suzumebachi · Jul 14, 2005, 09:38 AM // 09:38

/signed

also: HAHAHA Eternal Equinox, funny i should run into you here.

Witchblade · Jul 14, 2005, 10:18 AM // 10:18

/signed but

i m not for full farming either..making it harder ok..but i m fully against the drop decreasing past a certain amount of runs

Ban botter, and find a compromise

psycore · Jul 14, 2005, 10:24 AM // 10:24

/signed

for reasons already stated by Piexags

Omega_2005 · Jul 14, 2005, 10:30 AM // 10:30

/signed

I agree, some monsters need a few more items to drop that are GOOD

alessanx · Jul 14, 2005, 10:32 AM // 10:32

/signed

Give our farming back!! I like that aspect of the game and arena net has taken it!!

Power to the People !!!

Magus · Jul 14, 2005, 10:35 AM // 10:35

/signed

I don't think they should allow uber cheap farming spots (like the drake runs before the nerfs,) but they definitely should allow some farming spots that offer slightly better income. I was never really a farmer, but back then, I made a decent amount of money so that I could buy several pieces of ascension armor simply by playing the game casually. Now with the nerfs, it's even difficult to make money playing the game normally, and the money which I'm spending right now is that which was left over when drops were at least twice as high as they are now. The other problem is that the players who really farmed before the nerfs are running around with hundreds to millions of platinum, while the current players are put at a disadvantage.

I've staffed at and have helped develop many small MMORPG's and MUD's before, and there is a tendency for the devs to nerf the game, with the idea to increase their longevity (by making it take quite a while to reach the best end-game equipment.) For example, in one game, we had a beta test, and almost everybody obtained the best equipment very quickly. So, for the actual "release," we made almost all items cost literally 10x more than before, while keeping the income the same. Guess what? Everyone still had the best equipment (The increased costs simply made them work/grind harder to get it, but it certainly did not make them take longer to get it.) In another game, where the best equipment cost about 1-2 million game dollars per piece, it was discovered that most of the players could farm 200-300K of game money per run, roughly every hour or so. We nerfed that spot to be equal to the others because we figured that was too fast to get the best equipment (remember, this was a traditional MMORPG, where the best stuff was godly.) After a while, players started leaving, because things were too balanced and boring. The populations of both games (and a few others) dwindled and they ultimately failed; if not, I wouldn't be playing Guild Wars right now. I'm just trying to say that I believe Arenanet is nerfing the areas trying to preserve PvE's longevity. I believe the real solution would simply be adding more gold sinks, and not punishing casual players through nerfs. Right now, I'm mostly a PvPer not because I hate the concept of PvE, but because I simply don't find the current PvE game to be very enjoyable, partly due to all the nerfing. Don't get me wrong though, if they were in fact nerfing because of botting and cheating then they should continue nerfing areas as needed.

Calnaion Blackhawk · Jul 14, 2005, 10:36 AM // 10:36

/signed

its annoying how if one person has a good farming spot its ruined by botting and constant 24/7 farmers

goku19123 · Jul 14, 2005, 11:26 AM // 11:26

If they raised the drop rates farmers wouldn't farm because everyone could just say "I'll get that soon enough, no need to hit Ebay."

PieXags · Jul 14, 2005, 11:28 AM // 11:28

...What're you talking about?

Everyone here is a "farmer" if even if a subtle sense, I'm not a mass 24/7 farming nerd but I do it when I need some money...and I can't even do that.

I sure as HELL would farm if the drops were increased, and then maybe I'd actually have enough money to do something!

Magus · Jul 14, 2005, 11:38 AM // 11:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by PieXags

Everyone here is a "farmer" if even if a subtle sense, I'm not a mass 24/7 farming nerd but I do it when I need some money...and I can't even do that.

I agree. While I never actually said "I'm going to go out and kill ____ over again to make ____ gold," I did have to farm to get collector's items and sometimes to raise that few hundred gold to buy a new piece of armor. Right now, with the nerfed drop rates, it's virtually impossible not to farm to get enough collector items.

Kashrlyyk · Jul 14, 2005, 11:42 AM // 11:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magus

I don't think they should allow uber cheap farming spots (like the drake runs before the nerfs,) but they definitely should allow some farming spots that offer slightly better income. I was never really a farmer, but back then, I made a decent amount of money so that I could buy several pieces of ascension armor simply by playing the game casually. Now with the nerfs, it's even difficult to make money playing the game normally, and the money which I'm spending right now is that which was left over when drops were at least twice as high as they are now. The other problem is that the players who really farmed before the nerfs are running around with hundreds to millions of platinum, while the current players are put at a disadvantage.

I've staffed at and have helped develop many small MMORPG's and MUD's before, and there is a tendency for the devs to nerf the game, with the idea to increase their longevity (by making it take quite a while to reach the best end-game equipment.) For example, in one game, we had a beta test, and almost everybody obtained the best equipment very quickly. So, for the actual "release," we made almost all items cost literally 10x more than before, while keeping the income the same. Guess what? Everyone still had the best equipment (The increased costs simply made them work/grind harder to get it, but it certainly did not make them take longer to get it.) In another game, where the best equipment cost about 1-2 million game dollars per piece, it was discovered that most of the players could farm 200-300K of game money per run, roughly every hour or so. We nerfed that spot to be equal to the others because we figured that was too fast to get the best equipment (remember, this was a traditional MMORPG, where the best stuff was godly.) After a while, players started leaving, because things were too balanced and boring. The populations of both games (and a few others) dwindled and they ultimately failed; if not, I wouldn't be playing Guild Wars right now. I'm just trying to say that I believe Arenanet is nerfing the areas trying to preserve PvE's longevity. I believe the real solution would simply be adding more gold sinks, and not punishing casual players through nerfs. Right now, I'm mostly a PvPer not because I hate the concept of PvE, but because I simply don't find the current PvE game to be very enjoyable, partly due to all the nerfing. Don't get me wrong though, if they were in fact nerfing because of botting and cheating then they should continue nerfing areas as needed.

/signed

Keira Darkwind · Jul 14, 2005, 11:48 AM // 11:48

/signed

psykadelic224 · Jul 14, 2005, 12:16 PM // 12:16

Im signing thise one lol

/signed

Artemis Bladewing · Jul 14, 2005, 12:23 PM // 12:23

/signed

Which proper GW player wont sign this, this makes up most of the fun in the game.